Comments on: Statistics on Caliph, Emir and Lire http://www.semanticmetadata.net/2008/02/28/statistics-on-caliph-emir-and-lire/ Mon, 21 May 2012 14:28:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Mathias Lux http://www.semanticmetadata.net/2008/02/28/statistics-on-caliph-emir-and-lire/comment-page-1/#comment-118991 Mathias Lux Mon, 10 Mar 2008 08:39:09 +0000 http://www.semanticmetadata.net/2008/02/28/statistics-on-caliph-emir-and-lire/#comment-118991 I totally agree. As far as I know MPEG already put together a working group on royalty free standards, which means that they already care about it! However as the whole MPEG is driven by industry (they always say there are too many people from academia in the group) I don't expect that royalty free-ness is a pressing point on their agenda. I still hope that open source developer are somewhat are "more free to circumvent patents" than commercial providers are. As for Caliph & Emir: This is still an open issue. As many MPEG people are aware of this piece of software and no one ever complained I hope that I don't need to buy a license :) I totally agree. As far as I know MPEG already put together a working group on royalty free standards, which means that they already care about it! However as the whole MPEG is driven by industry (they always say there are too many people from academia in the group) I don’t expect that royalty free-ness is a pressing point on their agenda.

I still hope that open source developer are somewhat are “more free to circumvent patents” than commercial providers are.

As for Caliph & Emir: This is still an open issue. As many MPEG people are aware of this piece of software and no one ever complained I hope that I don’t need to buy a license :)

]]> By: Sergej Rinc http://www.semanticmetadata.net/2008/02/28/statistics-on-caliph-emir-and-lire/comment-page-1/#comment-118973 Sergej Rinc Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:29:09 +0000 http://www.semanticmetadata.net/2008/02/28/statistics-on-caliph-emir-and-lire/#comment-118973 I think researchers in MPEG-7 cannot not get right information about patents. E.g. XM (eXperimental Model) of standard is copyright free but what about patents - ISO requires at least 35€ to explain Patent Statements table in Appendix of MPEG-7 standards. No public information on the web can be found regarding patents payment for using MPEG-7 technologies (one Dolby laboratory issued a call?). So if Caliph is patents free - or not?! - than it is a step into right direction (creation of new academic and commercial tools). I think researchers in MPEG-7 cannot not get right information about patents. E.g. XM (eXperimental Model) of standard is copyright free but what about patents – ISO requires at least 35€ to explain Patent Statements table in Appendix of MPEG-7 standards. No public information on the web can be found regarding patents payment for using MPEG-7 technologies (one Dolby laboratory issued a call?).

So if Caliph is patents free – or not?! – than it is a step into right direction (creation of new academic and commercial tools).

]]> By: Ron Murray http://www.semanticmetadata.net/2008/02/28/statistics-on-caliph-emir-and-lire/comment-page-1/#comment-118860 Ron Murray Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:30:39 +0000 http://www.semanticmetadata.net/2008/02/28/statistics-on-caliph-emir-and-lire/#comment-118860 Actually, it's more likely the case that MPEG-7 based applications are proprietary and we will never see or interact with them, or that the MPEG-7 provenance is hidden from view even to those who use the application. A case in point for the latter is the Moving Image Collections database hosted by the Association of Moving Image Archivists and the Library of Congress: http://mic.imtc.gatech.edu/ http://mic.imtc.gatech.edu/about_1.htm The XML schema for this database is an application profile that combined MPEG-7 and Dublin Core: http://gondolin.rutgers.edu/MIC/text/how/cataloging_utility.htm The developers have not reached - but dearly want to - the point where MPEG-7's great strength in locating exact playback points, etc., in audiovisual materials would be tapped. They are focusing mostly on standard cataloging types of activity. Should they take the next step and begin annotating more freely (say through a sister site that referenced the Moving Image Collections cataloging data and made it possible to link annotations - hint, hint) it is at that point that the ideas in CaliphEmir would come into their own and would be made available to the public. Actually, it’s more likely the case that MPEG-7 based applications are proprietary and we will never see or interact with them, or that the MPEG-7 provenance is hidden from view even to those who use the application.

A case in point for the latter is the Moving Image Collections database hosted by the Association of Moving Image Archivists and the Library of Congress:

http://mic.imtc.gatech.edu/

http://mic.imtc.gatech.edu/about_1.htm

The XML schema for this database is an application profile that combined MPEG-7 and Dublin Core:

http://gondolin.rutgers.edu/MIC/text/how/cataloging_utility.htm

The developers have not reached – but dearly want to – the point where MPEG-7′s great strength in locating exact playback points, etc., in audiovisual materials would be tapped. They are focusing mostly on standard cataloging types of activity.

Should they take the next step and begin annotating more freely (say through a sister site that referenced the Moving Image Collections cataloging data and made it possible to link annotations – hint, hint) it is at that point that the ideas in CaliphEmir would come into their own and would be made available to the public.

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